us, you know, the nra, it made for a good commercial. the fact of the matter is, he's not anti-gun. >> democrats are not trying to get rid of people's guns? >> i think what's more important here governor malloy's state has -- i think i heard you say, one of the five toughest gun control laws of the united states. everything this man did who murdered these children in an awful, horrific, unbelievably gruesome thing was already illegal that's why guys like me say if you make having guns illegal, only criminals will have guns. this guy, everything he did was already against the law. if being against the law would have stopped it, it wouldn't have happened. >> can't we also say there's actual movement happening on capitol hill? four bipartisan senators are reaching an agreement on the idea of universal background checks. there will be exceptions, limitations, but there actually is movement happening and i don't think that would have happened without newtown. >> governor malloy, i want to ask you about that, you put out your own state proposa